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Mon, 12 Mar 2007
Response from Dr. Hickey et. al.If you have been following this from the beginning, remember from the first update, I posted a response by Dr. Steve Hickey and a couple other others. This was criticized by my blogging friend Michael (in the comments to this entry). I sent Michael's response off to Dr. Hickey and received a response some time yesterday which I have just noticed. I reproduce it here. If anyone has a background in statistics and can offer any commentary, please feel free.Excluding zero death studies clearly biases the results. However, this is a minor point, considering the other problems with this paper. The paper demonstrates a misuse of statistics and a lack of biological understanding. The paper's foremost methodological error is the use of subjective selection. To change a calculated relative risk ratio, you simply bias the selection procedure. In removing zero death studies, the risk ratio would remain unchanged only if the authors excluded studies involving supplement group or control group deaths with appropriate and proportionate probability. Consider the relative risk, calculated as the ratio of the risks, in each group. Suppose the risk was 2 in 100 subjects in each group (2% risk in each group, giving a 1:1 ratio). Now, remove 90 subjects from just the supplement group: the calculated risk increases to 20% (i.e. 2 out of 10 subjects) and the ratio of the risks becomes 10:1. There is no evidence that exclusions in the meta-analysis study were subject to appropriate controls, to prevent this kind of bias: the paper describes subjective selection of studies! It is inappropriate to exclude preferentially studies where no risk outcome was observed, because it affects the meaning of the risk ratio and its interpretation. Specifically, removing studies relates the calculated risk ratio to a smaller subset (m people) of a larger population (n people where m<<n). Consider the inconsequential increase in risk from one death in 5,000,000,000 people to two deaths in 5,000,000,000 people (giving a relative risk of 2). If we remove the majority of unaffected people, we get an apparently important result: say a change from one death in 10 people to two deaths in 10 people (relative risk still 2). Removing unaffected people makes the risk appear more important. The fact that people routinely misapply relative risks, by ignoring the population to which they apply, is irrelevant here. However, as a general heuristic, always mistrust relative measures, and do not try to defend a bad paper using an argument based on relative risk. Relative measures in studies should be avoided, unless the criteria are carefully stated. Abuse of relative measures often makes a paper seem more important, or drug effects more powerful. Generally, relative values magnify effects in a way that is deceptive rather than illuminating. An example might be a doubling, or 100% increase, in risk, which appears far less if it is properly expressed as an increase from, say 0.0001 per million of the population to 0.0002 per million. A risk ratio, considered alone, conveys almost no information about the actual risk. It has meaning only when the real magnitude of the risk is also provided. For further examples, try Darrel Huff's book "How to lie with statistics," or Gert Gigerenzer's "Calculated Risks: How to Know When Numbers Deceive You". This objection to our analysis has missed or avoided the main issue, which is that the selection process in this study was biased. This renders the study worthless, except as a measure of investigator bias. Update 3Since Michael has given a detailed response, I am still collecting links to other responses and I will put them here when I think they are appropriate. I sent an e-mail off to Dr. Steve Hickey but have not heard back. Owen Fonorow at the Vitamin C foundation has provided another contact for me so I will try again. Hopefully I can get a response from Dr. Hickey to Michael's criticism. In the mean time, here's a response from nutritionist Neal Levin. It looks like he could also be open to charges of conflict of interest but his response includes quotes from many other qualified people.I also posted a question to the blog of Arthur Devany who is a statistician and Peleo Diet advocate. The question is in the comments of this entry. Devany would be well qualified to comment on the statistical methods used in the study. But no response as of yet. Update 2I didn't notice this other response from the LEF which was posted two days ago. My blogging antagonist will be quick to point out that LEF sells their own supplement product. If this is important in your analysis of this information, take note of it. I personally think that the LEF does excellent work. The proceeds from their products goes towards researching the role of nutrition in longevity. I have found them to be a voice of balance and a good source of information that I would not necessarily find elsewhere (certainly not from my physician). A cursory look at Google Scholar reveals that the three authors of this response have published quite a bit of research and have significant expertise in this area.Notice near the beginning of the response from the Linus Pauling Institute, Dr. Frei is quoted as saying: "...the new study's focus on a selected group of clinical trials disregards the results of other more positive trials, as well as huge amounts of laboratory, animal, and human observational and experimental data." The LEF response likewise lists a large body of studies which seemingly contradict this latest meta study. I think this is another factor that should be considered. When a meta-study contradicts a large body of other studies, it should be regarded with a high dose of skepticism. Meta studies can be useful but I wonder if they should be considered ground breaking? My limited understanding suggests that they are only useful in the context of plenty of other more rigorous studies. UpdateDr. Steve Hickey, the author of Ascorbate: The Science of Vitamin C has responded to this study. His detailed analysis is available in PDF form at the web site of The Alliance for Natural Health which is a non-profit European organization. A web retailer has published the response in HTML. Most notable to me in his response is the comment that, although the statistical methods used are good, the selection criteria is greatly flawed. Hickey also claims that this paper was not subject to scientific discussion before release and is thus also suspect.Original PostYou have probably read the recent news reports concerning anti-oxidant supplements causing harm. There are responses coming up as well. When I saw this most recent one, the first thing that popped into my mind was Loran Cordain's warning about meta-studies in a recent Paleo Diet newsletter. He made an analogy to firetrucks. You frequently see firetrucks at large fires. Does this mean that the firetrucks are somehow related to causing the fires? Here's a couple of links which take a little more critical look at the recent reports:At the bottom of Chowka's article are links to other responses. In particular the response by the Linus Pauling institute is very good. [/health/vitamins] 32 comments permalink |
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